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From: dave@racer.enet.dec.com () |
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Newsgroups: alt.sys.pdp10 |
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Subject: Re: Desktop PDP/10? |
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Date: 6 Feb 1995 16:14:10 GMT |
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References: <3gr0q0$fvq@giga.bga.com> <aldersonD3E22J.7o5@netcom.com> |
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In article <aldersonD3E22J.7o5@netcom.com>, alderson@netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) writes: |
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|>In article <3gr0q0$fvq@giga.bga.com> hsnewman@bga.com (Harris Newman) writes: |
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|>>Is there such a thing? How much? |
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|>Not exactly, but you can run one of the emulators on a desktop system. |
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|>The smallest real PDP-10 I know of is the size of a two-drawer file cabinet. |
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|>Too large for your desktop, but it would stand next to your desk just fine. |
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|>Rich Alderson [Tolkien quote temporarily removed in favour of |
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|>alderson@netcom.com prosetylizing comment below --rma] |
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|>Please support the creation of the humanities hierarchy of newsgroups! |
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The "Minnow", which never really saw the light of day because it would |
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have killed the VAX off was about the size of a VAXstation 3100, had 2 MEG |
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of memory, 4 Serial I/O ports, and an interface for external disks, tapes, |
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and networks. |
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The reasons for its death (and the fact that the KS 10 price was jacked |
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up by almost $40,000K) was to "protect" the just starting VAX line. |
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It was done by all the same crew that did the KS 10. DMCC did the software, |
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I think. |
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I think only 2-4 were ever built, and the only OS I ever saw running on it |
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was ITS. |
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Dave Lyons, dave@racer.enet.dec.com |
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From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) |
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Subject: Re: What "SOS" is. |
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Date: 1997/09/14 |
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References: <5ukng7$i6g$1@sue.cc.uregina.ca> <5v9t6e$49v$9@teabag.demon.co.uk> <5vcjqn$9a3@bonkers.taronga.com> <341A4AB0.4343@cisco.com> |
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Organization: University of California, Berkeley |
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"Henry W. Miller" <hmiller@cisco.com> writes: |
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> Oh, I don't know if I can totally agree with that remark - they |
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>sure beat the hell out of their line-oriented predecessor, LINED. |
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What still amazes me is how long it took for the TOPS-10 world to get |
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the message about display editing. At a DECUS around 1974 I remember |
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a huge, vociferous argument between the fans of TECO (a non-display version |
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for the PDP-10, first written at the MIT AI Lab, which had long since |
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transmuted it into the immediate-mode display-oriented ITS version) |
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and the fans of SOS (an acronym standing for "son of stopgap," so called |
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because its original users at the Stanford AI Lab already clearly |
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understood that display-oriented editing was the way to do, and by the |
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time of this meeting had replaced it with TVEDIT). I was amused. |
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This was also around the same time as the infamous "DEC standard editor" |
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document, a half-inch-thick book with exactly one page on an optional |
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display-oriented mode. |
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[I removed all the other newsgroups because I wouldn't want to say |
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anything bad about PDP-10 culture except among friends. :-) ] |
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Post by Tim Shoppa |
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> Al's PDP-1 thread and some of the other recent editor threads got me |
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> What's the earliest known version of TECO with machine-readable |
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> source? What's the earliest known version with hardcopy source? My |
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> first thoughts were to look through my archives for the oldest |
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> versions but the oldest PDP-10 version I can find is 1977, which is |
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> hardly old. I know that several regular alt.sys.pdp10 posters were |
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> making their own hot-rodded TECO's before that. David Gesswein has |
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> a PDP-8 version online from 1971 (in the TU56 image |
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> "ps8-focal71-teco-omsi") at www.pdp8.net. |
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From memory I know it predates 1971. I joined DEC in September 1966. |
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Soon thereafter a couple of the PDP-6 types went to visit Project Mac |
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at MIT. When they returned one of them (perhaps Tony Wachs) was waving |
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a Dectape around and saying something like, "Wait til you see what |
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we've got here! It's called Teco." |
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As received from Mac it was described as a screen editor. The text was |
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displayed on a tube (the 340?) with the current pointer blinking. On a |
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TTY one had to sort of use one's imagination. |
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When it was developed at Mac...I'm not sure. |
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